12-24-2008 11:22 AM
How it should work:
1) Select a time using a calendar view
2) Choose "New appointment"
3) Link directly to Contacts from the Subject line of the appointment and choose a contact
-5 seconds and you have the calendar entry.
-No slow re-typing of a name that you already have in your contacts list.
-No tedious auto-emails zipping about to "attendees" when you have already arranged the meeting via phone or in person.
-You have a link to the contact's phone and email right there in the appointment where you would want it.
I cannot believe that this super-basic functionality is not included in BB software. Has anyone seen an app that offers this? It is common in the Windows and Palm worlds, but I have looked at Agendus and Pocket Informant with no luck.
12-24-2008 12:21 PM
12-24-2008 01:10 PM
Thanks for the reply. Yes it is possible to text in a person's name as the subject but re-entering text that is already in the system and not having it linked to the contact pretty much ignores the purpose of a computer. I also want to avoid having emails going out to folks that I already made an appointment with. That would be great within an organization for arranging multi-party meetings, but it is not very useful when working with folks who are not online regulalry and who do most of their communicating via the phone. That extra time required to text in the name also makes it less appealing to actually schedule an appointment while on the phone with someone. Instead you end up jotting down the details on a scrap of paper and then entering it after you hang up. Very 1970s. Surely this basic functionality should be part of the BB interface.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
12-24-2008 08:02 PM
12-25-2008 04:50 PM
12-25-2008 08:01 PM
The BB will certainly do the job when all of your appointments are arranged via invite-style emails to co-workers that spend their days with access to their corporate email. In the case of a consultant or a salesperson working with the general public, appointments tend to be made by phone and the customer may not be on email every day. Massage therapists, financial planners, or salespeople often have the same “subject” for an appointment; the customer’s name.
It will also lead to misspellings that will make it more difficult to find all of the instances of their appointments at a later date. Every smartphone app tries to minimize keystrokes for good reason.
And of course anytime a contact’s name appears in your PIM it ought to link back to the contact’s info instead of just being plain text. That is a fundamemtal aspect of good PIM design.
Yes I agree, that feature is not available : not in SMS, not in MMS, not in mails, not in calendar events. Is it on Windows Mobile applications ?
Had I known that the BB is really intended to work in one very narrow context for setting appointments I would have stuck with my Windows Mobile device that does what I describe with no problem. RIM is promoting their phones to a broad range of professionals and consumers, not just to large enterprise users.
Well, in my personal opinion, tha's the marketing mistake from RIM.
What does a late 2008 Storm or Bold have today that a 8810 of early 2007 does not have ?
-> a 3.5 jack for listening to music
-> Stereo Bluetooth
-> a bigger screen (clickable touchscreen for the Storm)
-> a faster hardware
all the rest is pretty much the same. There are some leisure applications available for all Blackberry devices (Media sync with Apple, facebook, MySpace), but still no real Media player.
Blackberry devices still rock in BES environment. the BIS one is a subset of it, as well as the other usages of it.
12-26-2008 12:17 PM
Great idea on the copy-paste from the attendee field to the subject field. I had thought of that but had been displaying the attendee email address in the attendee field. This gets me very close to the functionality I was looking for. I just delete the attendee after pasting the name into the subject field.
Agenda One from Developer One (Windows Mobile) lets you pull a contact right into an appointment subject field. When you think about this outside of the corporate world it really makes sense. Does a housecleaner or a landscaper want to put "clean house" or "cut grass" in the subject field of every one of their appointments? Probably not, but the customer's name linked to their contact info would be very helpful. RIM appears to be thinking of every appointment as a "meeting" within an enterprise with other networked enterprise users.
I think we agree that RIM is kind of reaching beyond their core user base by promoting their phones to consumers and small business. I have the Storm from Verizon and they advertise it by pushing the mobile media viewing-music playing-texting your friends aspects. I like it as the screen gives you a much better view of your calendar, web pages, etc.
Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. They have been very helpful.
12-26-2008 12:53 PM
The BB will certainly do the job when all of your appointments are arranged via invite-style emails to co-workers that spend their days with access to their corporate email. In the case of a consultant or a salesperson working with the general public, appointments tend to be made by phone and the customer may not be on email every day. Massage therapists, financial planners, or salespeople often have the same “subject” for an appointment; the customer’s name.On a personal point of view, from an IT perspective, it is a perversion of the subject. An attendee is an attendee, and a meeting subject is a meeting subject.
I'd like to amplify my opinion, because that sentence can have several meanings.
As an IT person, I think the subject should not contain the attendee's name. You don't mix apples and blackberries
What could be more consistent, and by the same way would help you, is to display the attendee instead of the subject in the events view (day or week or month).
That way, you keep the consistency of having an attendee in the dedicated field, and still have the relevant information for you. Maybe some other people would rather have displayed neither the subject, nor the attendee, but the location.
And it's easier to code too. Hey maybe the calendar layout can be modified in a Plazmic theme ? I don't know. But I do know that it's pretty easy to display a "next events list" on the home screen a bit like the Today Theme.
02-19-2009 12:35 AM
I totally agree and miss my old 6-year-old PDA for easy copying and pasting of one name to a similar appointment to the same or a new time next week. The Copy function and the Paste function are on the Menu, but don't allow that function.