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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.

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First step for my part initiated as well,

 

http://www.filearchivehaven.com/2014/04/19/blackberry-to-kill-99-of-my-apps/

 

I suppose there is no sense waiting for a blog post that won't tell us anything we don't know anyways.  The decision wasn't made by us - it was made by BlackBerry.

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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.

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JSanders wrote:

Wow. No one (I haven't) said you are not free to say whatever you want. No one is taking your right to act like an eight year old.


 

True words. I second this.

 

And in my humble opinion there is no hurry to do so. 10.3.0 is not out yet, we have even no timescale for a 10.3.1 release. There were already several paid apps ported from one SDK to a other one without alienating the user base. Best example is the app: "ReadItNow!" - you can still find the old Playbook version at the store, the first BB10 releases were very similar to the Playbook version and the whole thing were ported later to native Cascades with big benefits for the developer and the user base: http://crackberry.com/readitnow-updates-v60-and-goes-native

 

All without issues in upgrading. The only thing, the settings and login information were again the default values because the developer has changed the internal database structure and haven't created a import filter for the old settings.

 

IMHO there is currently nobody working during the Easter season which could give you some answers. But are you anyway wanting to get answers? I'm currently not sure... Happy holidays!

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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.

I'm on KermEd's side here. Leaving my own ~20 apps aside, we are also making apps for other companies. Right now, because of BB, we are in discussion with our customers, who had supported BB through BB Java, PlayBook AIR and BB10 AIR (ported in step 1). 

 

One of our applications, the one I've been with since I started in my company more than 3 years ago, falls into the category of AIR apps. It was a PlayBook app, written by me, from scratch, and I needed half a year for the first version only. The application was very successful and still is.

 

Timeskip BB10. The decision to port the PlayBook AIR application was due to Cascades far from being ready, but the customers of our customer wanted that app. So we were more or less forced to make the AIR application working for BB10 when the Z10 came out. Wasn't so bad, but our customer had to pay.

 

Timeskip forward, Q10 approaching. Obviously, the Z10/PlayBook app wasn't made for the Q10, but our customer also could not afford changing to native code. We also couldn't give up the AIR application for the more advanced Android app, because the app must work in the work perimeter. What did fit the budget though was changing the AIR SDK from PlayBook SDK to BB10 AIR SDK, allowing us to use native extensions. But let me tell you, it still wasn't cheap.

 

The application is currently working quite nice with a good amount of users. But as stated before, budget reasons prevent more. Which is also one of the reasons said application had no updates since 4 months.

 

And now this. AIR scrapped in 10.3.1. Rewriting the code? I'm in the same boat as KermEd, it's a massive MASSIVE amount of code. And who's going to pay for this? And not to forget all the customers who lose their application and data.

 

The only honest advice I can give, which helps all, is never to update to 10.3.1.

 

 


JSanders wrote:

Wow. No one (I haven't) said you are not free to say whatever you want. No one is taking your right to act like an eight year old.


 

Whereever you are, you are insulting people and drive the discussion into a different direction. This is a developer forum where we developers express our concerns. If you want to insult someone, write them a PM so they can ignore their inboxes

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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.


pyth wrote:

I'm on KermEd's side here. 

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JSanders wrote:

Wow. No one (I haven't) said you are not free to say whatever you want. No one is taking your right to act like an eight year old.


 

Whereever you are, you are insulting people and drive the discussion into a different direction. This is a developer forum where we developers express our concerns. If you want to insult someone, write them a PM so they can ignore their inboxes


Great, I'm on KermEd's side of the issue as well.

You're own insults and belittling comments included, it's ok for a few, not for others? Why don't you join KermEd in getting back to the meat  of this issue and leave the censoring to the moderators?

As far as where I am doesn't matter (the USA, if you must know).

 

Please back on topic.



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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.

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I haven't posted to take someones "side" - all I wanted to say is that it is currently a long weekend and nobody will get able to answer propably and without waiting for the proper answer such a blog posting doesn't help anyone. This thread is already full of false assumptions and based on this informations is such a article in my humble opinion "suboptimal" (to take a nice word, maybe I have already a different picture in my mind).

 

The best for now would be to keep the runtime working as it is. But without updates for the SDK, is this really the best solution? Staying forever at a already outdated API level?

 

And if the AIR apps are working already from within the Android runtime at a newer version it may sound like a good place to look what we have and what the developers needs additionally.

The Built for BlackBerry stuff is something BlackBerry could work on. I'm worrying more about the work perimeter.

Personally I have more hopes to get stuff like the BlackBerry Service APIs working within the Android runtime using a objective discussion and not by tearing each other in pieces.

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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.

*Your

 

I notified a moderator already

 

As soon as he (hopefully) deletes your posts, this post can be deleted as well

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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.

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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.


helex wrote:

 

And if the AIR apps are working already from within the Android runtime at a newer version it may sound like a good place to look what we have and what the developers needs additionally.


That's exactly the point! We cannot be sure because of the ANEs. From the list of people in this thread I can see that many of us have been around for a long time, and most of us are using native extensions. There is no guarantee that they will work, and with that, there's no incentive for us to even try converting an AIR app to an .apk and a .bar file respectively if the effort will be for naught

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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.

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I just want to say that I definitely reacted heatedly and made poor responses. It isn't an excuse but I should have vocalized better.  With that said... Every developer in this thread is affected. Pyth is probably like me - he is impacted beyond repair by the change. Some of us have no options but to exit and yell on the way out. 

 

Being pushed out of the platform is emotional. I am a strong bbry supporter. I manage 4 or 5 developer chats helping mentor. I have more apps than I can really count. And I am emotionally invested. Being pushed out by BlackBerry is no easy matter - heck I already spend 10 hours a day dealing with BB10. 

 

For people like me and others where this isn't a hobby - even 6 months is not enough time.  I don't think answers matter anymore for some of us.  blackberry could have answered those questions last week if they really cared to. 

 

We all need to come up with strategies that work for us. We are all being impacted and only a handful will be able to carry forward with their proposed solutions. I wish you guys luck - blackberry has me in a checkmate. No matter how I feel about it - it was their decision to make and nothing can change the fact they will be bumping me and others off the platform. 

 

My blog post was nice. But it looks out for me and warns my users - I don't care how it affects BlackBerry's image anymore than they care how their decisons affect mine. They have what they want. I'm out and I wish you guys luck. 

 

I do miss Alec. His solution would have been a couple of phone calls and an actual discussion. The yahoo's running the show today did up a rasci chart and marked us as the informed category. Our opinion is not of value to them on this - thru just want us to stop talking about it. 

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Re: It's OFFICIAL. Adobe AIR support dropped from 10.3.1.

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pyth wrote:

That's exactly the point! We cannot be sure because of the ANEs. From the list of people in this thread I can see that many of us have been around for a long time, and most of us are using native extensions. There is no guarantee that they will work, and with that, there's no incentive for us to even try converting an AIR app to an .apk and a .bar file respectively if the effort will be for naught


Is it even possible to add the native extensions to the AIR apps inside the apk files or is there anything BlackBerry could do to make the native extension possible inside the runtime?