06-02-2010 12:58 PM
I agree. I expected release of cc and carrier billing on the date the revenue share changed.
There has been information about RIM holding an AppWorld event on June 16th though. (http://www.bbleaks.com/2010/05/rim-to-hold-exclusi
Maybe they not only announce, but release AppWorld 2.0 with at least credit card billing and paid apps in all countries on that day.
06-02-2010 03:19 PM - edited 06-02-2010 03:27 PM
Because the extra 10% is taken out for all transactions (not just those processed by Bang-O) , and because of the apparent 1-month+ delay in seeing any benefit from the new deduction, I don't believe that our percentage has been changed of necessity because of the added billing option. App World will make more by offering CC and carrier billing, just like any merchant does -- that justifies whatever special rate they no doubt negotiated for the volume they'll be doing.
I think it's just that Verizon came out with V-CAST taking 30%, Apple takes 30%, CrackBerry/Mobihand between them take 40%, Handango takes something like 55-65%, etc., and App World probably just felt they now want 30% also and saw an excuse to raise their percentage. Just like when there's a hurricane or a war in one small area it's an excuse to almost double fuel prices worldwide and then never lower them again. They couldn't just up and do that without an excuse, but seized the opportunity.
Anyway that's my opinion. I could be wrong, but why charge us 10% more on all transactions, not just the carrier-billed ones? MobiHand offers credit card without charging us an extra 10% for it.
Right now with MobiHand, when customers buy the app through an in-app Buy button after a free trial, we get 90% ! And that can still be credit-card billed or Paypal.
06-03-2010 12:46 AM
With the new AppWorld terms you would just have to make sure the customer didn't get the trial version from AppWorld as RIM would then like to get its 30% share from the 90%
06-03-2010 11:47 AM
I am not yet sure whether this would apply to the case of a user downloading a trial/free version from AppWorld and then converting to the full version via a different store, but the following changes in the terms are definitely open to that interpretation.
Basically RIM wants a 30% share of all revenue you make with an app downloaded from AppWorld. If a user downloads a free version from AppWorld and then subscribes to premium content outside of AppWorld, RIM wants its share.
There is an ongoing discussion about this in the thread I posted above.
1.3 "Application Revenue" means all revenue received by Vendor with respect to an Application distributed to an End User through the BlackBerry App World by RIM, and any updates and upgrades thereto whether distributed through the BlackBerry App World or otherwise, including without limitation revenue derived directly or indirectly, through the use of the Application by an End User, with respect to any content made available within or by an Application, subscription fees, transactions and microtransactions, but excluding: (a) taxes, refunds and chargebacks; (b) any fees paid by an End User to an MoR to obtain a copy of the Application through an MoR Kiosk; and (c) any advertising revenue derived from an Application.
Vendor shall pay to RIM thirty percent (30%) of Application Revenue (which as defined in this Agreement excludes any fees paid by an End User to an MoR to obtain a copy of an Application through an MoR Kiosk) ("Application Revenue Fee") on a calendar quarterly basis in arrears, payable within thirty (30) days of the end of each calendar quarter. Vendor shall provide to RIM a monthly report outlining calculation of the Application Revenue Fee for the applicable month in accordance with United States generally accepted accounting principles. Vendor shall pay the Application Revenue Fee in United States dollars by electronic funds transfer as directed by RIM to Vendor in writing.
06-03-2010 12:57 PM - edited 06-03-2010 12:57 PM
I sell my software on App Store and on my Personal Store,
if someone download the free trial on AppStore and than buy the full version on my site
how can I pay RIM?
Who tell me that clientX downloaded the free trial from app store? Who tell RIM that I need to pay them some share?
06-03-2010 01:16 PM
You are supposed to provide a monthly report to RIM.
(...) Vendor shall provide to RIM a monthly report outlining calculation of the Application Revenue Fee for the applicable month in accordance with United States generally accepted accounting principles. (...)
The difficulty in finding out if a purchase in your personal store was originally downloaded from AppWorld is probably the only way to get out of this.
06-16-2010 11:37 AM - edited 06-16-2010 11:38 AM
According to many of the BlackBerry blogs, it may be announced at their press event today. App World 2.0 with carrier billing and "enhancements" like better search, QR scan codes to scan apps for purchase and BlackBerry ID to make the process of moving from device to device a bit more seamless.
No availability date. Also, take this with a grain of salt until an official press release. It just seems to be getting a lot of coverage so I figure I'd post it here.