02-12-2013 12:49 PM
Thank you for your very detailed message that explains your personal experience. I would like to condense all that and try to explain, can you tell me if I have understood correctly?
Synchronization between the "Microsoft Outlook" desktop client and the cloud-base "Outlook.com" service:
Synchronization between the Outlook.com and the BlackBerry Torch
Did I sum up everything correctly?
Now, my global comments:
In the end, I believe that:
02-12-2013 12:54 PM
Update to Outlook.com sync : looks like it finally made it, the Send/Receive process is taking a rest, & I now have Calendar entries on my phone! I haven't had the time to compare & contrast the details with the desktop Outlook but, when I do, I will share if there's anything strange going on. I assume that all future updates will not be as challenging. Or at least not for the phone, though they might be for me! I believe I now have to update my Outlook.com calendar in desktop Outlook, rather than the original Outlook calendar if I want instant syncing. I am really tempted to stick with the original calendar & just copy it over periodically, before a longer absence from the office for example. Ultimately, I would like to eventually sync the full, prime calendar with the Z10, rather than this transitionary version.
I'm generally happy with it as a temporary workaround, I still love the phone & this is enough for me to keep it 'til the new Link release.
02-12-2013 12:56 PM
Now, my global comments:
- I do not know if Microsoft provides a way to synchronize tasks between outlook.com and the Outlook desktop client
No, Outlook.com does not sync tasks (nor memos) between outlook.com and the Outlook desktop client
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02-12-2013 12:57 PM
Is their plan to be ultimately in the cloud, and we are all thinking that Outlook as it exists in the non-cloud today will continue as is?
I think that every IT company that has more than 10000 employees in 2013 is commited to become cloud-centered one way of the other. Because it is the only way to extract money on a regular basis to the consumer (one way of the other).
And I believe that the aim for Microsoft is to pump up outlook.com to be as good as the old Microsoft Outlook 2010 client.
If you have an access to Microsoft Outlook WebApp for Exchange, you will see where the "Outlook" concept is going.
There are features that are now brought to the Outlook WebApp before being brought to the Outlook client.
In a very near future, you will wake up one day and realize that your Outlook client is not compatible anymore with outlook.com / Outlook Web App, and not the other way around.
If you look in the past, it was the same when banks arrived. Do you prefer holding your money in your personal safe at home or stuffed in your pillow (= contacts on your personal computer, in your office), or do you prefer having your money in a bank account (= a money cloud)?
This requires you to trust your bank, and this is what the cloud is all about. Do you trust the cloud providers?
02-12-2013 01:05 PM
For an absolute non-techy guy like me .I am just thoroughly scared off of buying the new Z10 after reading all this info. As I said before ,its a shame because I was really looking forward to this new and improved company and phone.
02-12-2013 01:29 PM
02-12-2013 01:51 PM
OMG, just give up then.
There will always be a need for apps that run on the edge client. Thunderbird works just fine. And MSFT has always treated the Office suite like a step child.
Just ask google why they give us apps to allow us to work when we are not connected to the matrix.
This concept of losing divice centric computing and dbase retention capacity is a non starter. More so in the US. People like to control their own worlds...
Why is the most important part of new home entertainment the creation of the "personal cloud?" Uh where we hold our data on Western Digital 2 TB devices in our living room but we can access a song or two from our Z10s... (that was a joke) our iPhones....
02-12-2013 01:57 PM
Cleafloor: Exactly. I am in a company of 50 employees, 40 are part-time people running around with various phones that don't sync to anything. 10 of are full-time manager-types. We have two Blackberry users. We are not using the server-based blackberry product. Everyone else has IPhones and Androids who sync using ActiveSync. The one Blackberry user is a young kid, and I don't know if she even has her work email setup on her phone. The other is me with a 9850. I have forced the IT guy to let me into my email using IMAP, and my calendar is only updated by invites I send myself or contacts that I choose to add to my phone. (I could use Desktop Manager, but I don't want every contact that is work-related in my phone.)
I have another business at home on a standalone machine running Outlook. I sync to this computer with Blackberry Desktop and like that I'm not transferring every work contact to this computer.
So if I were Blackberry, who are they going to cater to? Out of 50 employees, I am unique. I have also had to desperately cling to my Outlook sync and forgo things like Mobile Deposit within the banking aps and 50 zillion other aps.
I have researched the Androids, IPhone and Windows phones and they are just like the Z10 relative to syncing. The old Blackberries are the only ones on the market that the new Blackberry is competing with.
If I had limited time, under huge pressure to get product out there,and wanted to reach the largest market, I would lop us off as well.