10-19-2011 04:45 PM
I totally agree that the silent way of doing this is unacceptable. I never defended that. However, I felt that some of the people here were angry at the fact of BB OS being abandoned.
Yes, the way they did it is bad - but it's in line with RIM's other shortcomings. I'm sure most developers here have their own experiences of RIM being extremely slow getting back on even the simplest requests (as in weeks instead of hours). This overall approach slowed the releases on BlackBerry to a grinding halt and was the reason our company completely abandoned all new BlackBerry development this February.
So my "understanding" probably comes from the fact that I saw them doing it (through the eyes of my managers and our marketing and customer support) a few months ago. I'm not enraged because I have no reason to be. I absolutely sympathize with those who are, however.
10-19-2011 05:11 PM - edited 10-19-2011 05:12 PM
arkadyz - I think all of us welcome the advances in BBX. However, you're missing some key points.
1. App sales for BB OS7 etc will crash when consumers realise there's no point in buying
2. BBX will not be released in beta soon enough for most developers to produce apps in time for launch - this means RIM could launch a product with few apps built for the platform. They're gambling that Android devs will make up the difference.
3. Customers who have paid for apps will target both us and RIM when they find their purchases don't work on the new platform. You can already see the annoyance on some boards.
RIM is gambling its very existence on the new platform. That much is understood - but to deliberately discard thousands of developers and their code assets, as well as playing fast and loose with their app customers, seems like madness to me.
I'm not angry at the loss of BB OS. I'm concerned that having invested so much time and effort into RIM apps, they make strategic decisions that in my opinion damage their abilities to sustain their market position and my ability to sustain my business.
Why should we invest time and energy developing for RIM if this is the reward? We're a small operation, but I'd guess conservatively this decision of RIM's will cost us $100,000. Clearly not something RIM cares much about.
For some development organisations the cost will be considerably more.
10-19-2011 05:19 PM
10-19-2011 05:28 PM
10-19-2011 06:34 PM
Let me post a somewhat dissenting opinion here:
On one hand, I agree with those who say there should be some backwards compatibility with the BB Java in the future RIM devices (at least phones - I'm not sure about the tablets, frankly).
On the other hand, Java microedition, even with all BB additions, is a dying platform anyway. Developing in it is a nightmare, it is extremely convoluted and poorly documented (the latter is a huge failure of RIM). I guess they should have stopped at (or before) OS 6.0 and start working on a real platform. Now they finally started doing this - at least a year too late.
I absolutely agree to what you say here arkadyz. However: Doing this change without communicating it openly is a very bad idea.
If you are a development company you have to plan for the future, and i guess if you earn your living on your own it is even more important to know where the development is going.
To have a developer conference and don't tell anybody about the most important change on the platform is bad.
I am excited about the new possibilities the QNX platform offers. I am not excited about having to switch to c++ though.
And i really don't like having to puzzle all of this out myself, having to fly home and tell it to my colleagues (well, they have read my post here i guess) and having none of the officials here allowed to comment on it.
This is my opinion with the simon words
10-19-2011 06:52 PM
10-19-2011 09:30 PM - edited 10-19-2011 09:32 PM
just talked to shaun, he said they have a press release about this topic in the pipeline, PR is checking it etc.
He talked a lot about improving literally everything, let's see how that actually looks like (if you stick around that long)
edit: he directly confirmed that there will be no java player. and said "the absence of news about that should have made that very clear", which is a very good summary of RIM information policy.
10-19-2011 11:32 PM
I've emailed Alec Saunders to let him know how this is going to affect me, what I think about this and whether or not I will continue to develop for BlackBerry. I suggest everyone does the same: email@example.com
10-20-2011 12:27 AM - edited 10-20-2011 12:29 AM
RIM, if the new phones can't run old BB apps, can you give us an offline app converter? Just translate the entire project, Java and API's, into a native BBX app, and let us take it from there -- improving it using superior BBX features?
edit: On second thought, there are so many convolutions necessary to get the simplest things done in BBOS, that maybe it would be easier to put an app on the moon than convert it automatically. But it would help alot if possible.